United States v. Rahimi — Oral Argument (November 7, 2023)

United States v. Rahimi (oral argument)

Issue: Whether 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8), which prohibits the possession of firearms by persons subject to domestic-violence restraining orders, violates the Second Amendment on its face.

Audio:

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?530721-1/united-states-v-rahimi-oral-argument

 

Summary

The Supreme Court hears arguments in the case of Rahimi, which challenges the constitutionality of 18 USC 922(g)(8), a federal law that disarms individuals subject to domestic violence protective orders. The main issue at hand is whether the law violates the Second Amendment. The government argues that the law is necessary to protect against the danger posed by armed domestic abusers, while the respondent argues that the law is unconstitutional. The Court explores the definitions of law-abiding and responsible citizens, the historical context of disarming dangerous individuals, and the factors that determine dangerousness in domestic violence cases. The Court also addresses the duration and permanence of protective orders, the role of historical analogues in interpreting the Second Amendment, and the methodology used by lower courts in analyzing gun control measures. The conversation in this case revolves around the constitutionality of Section 922(g)(8), which prohibits individuals subject to a domestic violence protective order from possessing firearms. The discussion covers topics such as the distinction between facial and as-applied challenges, the historical tradition of disarming dangerous persons, and the due process rights involved in protective order proceedings. The court explores the scope of disarming dangerous persons and the potential implications of the arguments presented. Ultimately, the court must determine whether Section 922(g)(8) violates the Second Amendment.

Takeaways

  • The government argues that Section 922(g)(8) is necessary to protect against the danger posed by armed domestic abusers.
  • The Court explores the definitions of law-abiding and responsible citizens and their relevance to the Second Amendment.
  • The Court considers the historical context of disarming dangerous individuals and the factors that determine dangerousness in domestic violence cases.
  • The Court addresses the duration and permanence of protective orders, the role of historical analogues in interpreting the Second Amendment, and the methodology used by lower courts in analyzing gun control measures. The court must consider the distinction between facial and as-applied challenges when analyzing the constitutionality of a statute.
  • The historical tradition of disarming dangerous persons is a key factor in determining the constitutionality of firearms regulations.
  • Due process rights play a significant role in protective order proceedings and the disarmament of individuals subject to such orders.
  • The court must balance the individual’s right to possess firearms with the government’s interest in preventing domestic violence and protecting public safety.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

00:58 Congressional Disarmament of Domestic Abusers

02:20 The Fifth Circuit’s Error

05:59 Defining Law-Abiding and Responsible Citizens

06:27 Responsibility and Danger

09:28 Determining Dangerousness

11:46 Historical Attitudes Towards Domestic Violence

16:11 Challenges to Protective Orders

17:35 Mutual Protective Orders

18:53 Recourse and Due Process

20:32 Duration of Protective Orders

22:23 Presumption of Regularity in Protective Orders

23:11 Law-Abiding and Responsible Citizens

24:43 The Use of ‘Responsible’ in the Argument

26:55 Methodological Errors in Bruin

29:37 Disarming Dangerous Individuals

31:03 Recourse and Collateral Challenges

32:34 Guidance for Lower Courts

35:23 Clarifying the Law-Abiding and Responsible Citizen Category

37:02 Facial Challenge and As-Applied Challenges

38:14 Legislator’s Perspective

42:32 Methodological Errors in Bruin

44:17 Considering Historical Tradition

45:11 Applying the Bruin Analysis

46:07 Legislator’s Perspective

48:14 Rebuttal

51:03 The Order and Findings

53:13 Facial Challenge and Due Process

54:34 The Scope of the Statute

55:31 The Gun-Free School Zones Act

56:20 The Thinness of the State Court Proceedings

57:08 Due Process and Underlying Felony Prosecution

57:34 Per Se Automatic Disarmament

58:39 Due Process and Protective Orders

59:09 The Scope of Due Process

59:52 The History and Tradition Test

01:01:16 Finding Historical Analog

01:02:15 The Government’s Reply

01:04:05 The Right to Keep Arms

01:05:29 Severe Criminal Punishment

01:06:47 Restraining Orders and Handgun Licenses

01:08:12 Disarming Dangerous Persons

01:09:36 Historical Analog and Bans

01:11:30 Bans by the Legislature vs. Court Orders

01:12:58 Culling of Historical Record

01:14:23 Reconstruction Era Sources

01:15:46 Founding Era Sources

01:16:42 Disarming Dangerous Persons

01:19:30 State Court Proceedings

01:20:26 Effect of the Order

01:21:11 Automatic Disarmament

01:22:38 Effect on Background Check System

01:25:23 Suspension of Handgun License

01:26:14 Individualized Findings of Dangerousness

01:27:41 Historical Analog for Disarmament

 

 

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